Pope Leo XIV's comments on "conscious participation" in the Mass and a Vatican publication focused on women have raised questions about the direction of his pontificate. The hosts argue that the publication presents theological arguments that diminish the traditional Catholic understanding of the devil, original sin, and the relationship between men and women, pointing to a broader push toward feminism, women's ordination, and LGBTQ-related causes.

Recent Vatican appointments and praise from an LGBTQ publication are cited as evidence that these issues are becoming increasingly prominent under Leo XIV. The hosts contrast this trajectory with the declining Eucharistic belief, Mass attendance, vocations, and sacramental practice that have followed the liturgical changes of the Novus Ordo—arguing that the fruits of the reforms raise serious questions.

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