Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg is one of the most instantly recognisable politicians on the British national stage. He combines an astute political mind with a deep and vigorous Catholic identity.

In the energised and vivid conversation that follows, we take a journey through the 16th century, reflecting on the anti-Catholic state propaganda that casts a shadow to this day. We consider the dreadful mistake made by Pope Pius V when he excommunicated Elizabeth I. We discuss whether it is time for Catholics in this country to take centre stage in representing the Christian conscience—at a moment when state Protestantism seems to have lost both confidence and coherence. We explore how cathedrals only truly come alive when the true Mass is celebrated within. We exchange frank opinions about Justin Welby and the former papacy under Pope Francis. And we end by examining the state of our nation’s soul as we prepare for the House of Lords’ examination of what Sir Jacob calls the evil euthanasia bill.