Joey Kramer knew he needed to change his life the morning his construction boss walked in with Whataburger in one hand, a Route 44 Sonic in the other, bragging about the fifth of Jack he drank the night before.

That was the pivot. From construction to chiropractic school, with no money, a wife who kept the family afloat, and a sheet of paper with three career options on it that he and Katie worked through using Ignatian discernment until one bucket filled up higher than the rest. Paul Kolker, Nick Bezner, and Jeff Schiefelbein dig into all of it - including how Joey met Katie in the first place, which involved crashing soccer study hall at TCU and a girlfriend who got sent home the moment his future wife called.

The conversation also goes somewhere most podcast episodes don't. Joey and his wife lost a pregnancy. Felt rage, grief, and confusion. And nobody stopped to ask how he was doing. He talks about what it's like to carry that as a man, and what finally made him say it out loud.

Find Joey: hopesouthlake.com | @HopeSouthlake on all socials

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