Cardinal Joseph Zen holds up Pope John Paul II as the model for putting Vatican II into practice. Anthony admits he would have agreed with that years ago. Anthony and Rob explain why religious liberty, which looked like a harmless truce between Catholics and Protestants, is one of the Council's central errors. It plants doubt in every Catholic kid in a pluralist school: the Jews think they're right, the Muslims think they're right, the Protestants think they're right, so who are we to say? They also look at John Paul II's "lurch to the right" that was still a lurch to the left, whether all wars are really religious wars, and how post-WWII propaganda convinced Catholics they were responsible for the Holocaust.

From the Avoiding Babylon livestream "Stop the Synod, Save the Council? Cardinal Zen's Blind Spot" (Nov 10, 2026). Watch the full stream: https://www.youtube.com/live/5nfbTZQNsZA

Read Cardinal Zen's post: https://x.com/CardJosephZen/status/2119767872532844831

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