James Martin, S.J., speaks with Andrew Sullivan, the renowned political commentator and Catholic writer, about faith, identity and spiritual transformation in this deeply personal episode of “The Spiritual Life” podcast. Having struggled through the AIDS crisis of the 80s and 90s, Andrew opens up about the fear of gay people in the Catholic Church and the remarkable shift that he believes has taken place over the past few decades.

00:00 Who is Andrew Sullivan?
4:20 Homosexuality and the Catholic Church
11:11 State of the LGBTQ movement
15:33 How Pope Francis dispelled fear
21:34 Finding God in the midst of agony
31:45 Andrew's turbulent Catholic life
41:04 Staying rooted spiritually
44:55 Reconciling personal experience in the church

Links:
Fr. Martin's spiritual advice column on this conversation: https://www.americamagazine.org/podcasts/2026/04/27/james-martin-andrew-sullivan-spiritual-life
“The Weekly Dish”: https://andrewsullivan.substack.com
Virtually Normal: An Argument About Homosexuality: https://www.amazon.ca/Virtually-Normal-Argument-about-Homosexuality/dp/0679746145
Interview: Andrew Sullivan on being openly gay and Catholic by Thomas H. Stahel: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2022/11/10/vantage-point-america-andrew-sullivan-244119

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