Welcome to America magazine’s Conclave Podcast. Our editors are on the ground in Rome covering the conclave to elect the next pope. Read more at: https://www.americamagazine.org/

In today’s episode from Rome, the team discusses:

• The controversial presence at the pre-conclave meetings of Cardinal Becciu, convicted of embezzlement, and Cardinal Cipriani, who was sanctioned by the Vatican for alleged sexual abuse
• The topics emerging in the cardinals’ secret meetings
• Are “unity” and “clarity” becoming code words for reversing Francis’ style of governance?

This episode features:

• Sebastian Gomes, America’s executive editor of audio and video
• Colleen Dulle, co-host of America’s “Inside the Vatican” podcast
• Gerard O’Connell, Vatican correspondent and co-host of America’s “Inside the Vatican” podcast
• Ashley McKinless, executive editor and co-host of America’s “Jesuitical” podcast
• Zac Davis, director of digital strategy and co-host of America’s “Jesuitical” podcast
• Sam Sawyer, S.J., America’s editor in chief

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Links from the show:
What Pope Francis taught us: Church teaching finds clarity and power in acts of mercy: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2025/04/28/francis-clarity-mercy-teacher-albertson-blakely-250509
Cardinal Becciu will not participate in conclave following dispute over right to vote: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2025/04/28/cardinal-becciu-conclave-250496
As Cardinals Prepare to Elect a Pope, One Motto Is ‘Unity.’ That’s Divisive: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/world/europe/cardinals-church-conclave-pope.html

*Editor's note: Due to an editing error at 25:45 O'Connell refers to "Populorum progressio" and "Humanae vitae." These documents published by Pope Paul VI, not Pope John Paul II.

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