This week on “Inside the Vatican,” Gerard O’Connell and Colleen Dulle discuss U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s visit to Pope Leo XIV, along with recent developments between the Vatican and the Society of St. Pius X, which has committed to illicitly ordain bishops without the Vatican’s approval. In the second part of the show, Colleen and Gerry look at the pope’s visits to Pompeii and Naples, and Gerry explains why he thinks Pope Leo’s forthcoming encyclical won’t be published as expected on May 15.

Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:15 New developments between Vatican and SSPX
5:24 Marco Rubio visits the Vatican
7:33 What Rubio and the pope discussed
9:01 The Vatican’s history mediating between the US and Cuba
13:31 Where the U.S.-Vatican relationship stands now
18:38 The viral moment between Rubio and the pope
20:42 Leo’s resonance with U.S. Catholics
23:43 Pope Leo’s visit to Pompeii
25:30 Leo supports popular piety in Naples
27:59 Pope denounces organized crime in Naples
30:27 Pope Leo’s planned summer trips
32:03 Why the encyclical is not coming May 15
33:41 Outro and credits

Links:
Vatican warns SSPX leaders of excommunication over ‘schismatic act’ of ordaining bishops
https://www.americamagazine.org/vatican-dispatch/2026/05/13/sspx-schism-bishops-ordination/
Pope Leo meets with Marco Rubio amid Trump’s personal attacks
https://www.americamagazine.org/vatican-dispatch/2026/05/07/pope-leo-marco-rubio-trump/
Poll: Most Americans disapprove of Trump’s attacks on Pope Leo
https://www.americamagazine.org/news/2026/05/06/americans-disapprove-trump-attacks-pope-leo/
Pope Leo prays for end to ‘fratricidal hatred’ as he celebrates anniversary in Pompeii
https://www.americamagazine.org/news/2026/05/08/pope-leo-anniversary-pompeii/

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